Building Trade Skills Centre (BTSC) Report

Inside track on student life at the BTSC Chessington.

BTSC Marketing (Getting you to stump up the cash)

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So, how did they persuade me to part with my precious millions of Pounds? Okay, well maybe not that many but a whopping 5,000 of them!

First, I called BTSC to enquire about the program, when it starts, costs, content, etc. I talked to a person who will remain nameless for the purposes of this review. I was given minimal information at this point and told that I need to schedule an “interview”, which involved quite a long trek!

Okay, talk about sales pitch! These people can really lay it on and if you don’t know exactly what you are getting into, DON’T sign anything! I fear for those who I have heard of taking out loans or spending hard earned cash and not realizing what exactly is happening until they get into the college and find out that some things may have been misrepresented. The BTSC sales set up is the same for any common door to door sales pitch, except you have to schedule an interview and go in yourself. Having seen many schemes myself, I was privy to their game and thoroughly questioned them and took their information with a ‘grain of salt’. A ‘grain of salt’ is how you should view any information coming out of the mouth of even BTSC salesmen. I’ll explain more on this point further down this post.

First thing you will notice is that they have their recruiting set up much like an interview if you were applying for a regular job. Your interviewer is not actually an employer but a salesman. During the interview process you are asked questions just like in a job interview and will feel the need to try to ‘prove’ that you deserve one of the ‘few slots’ they have open for new recruits. You are then given the grand tour around the Centre and brought back to the office.

After you are totally impressed with the facilities they ask you if you are still interested in the opportunity to become a qualified plumber. You say yes (naturally because you feel like you are actually interviewing for special acceptance into limited open slots) and they hand you your brochures outlining Level 1&2 NVQ and Level 3. Now comes the discussion about cost. You are given 2 prices. One price covers Level 1&2, roughly 5,000. Level 1&2 has 8 one week modules. I will explain what that entails in another post. Level 3 has 5 modules and is roughly prices out at another 5,000. If you are still interested at this point you are given 2 options of payment, if you are accepted. Note that at this point you are still not accepted into the college. You can pay either in one large installment. If you choose this plan you are given a 1,000 pound discount. The second payment option is to pay in two installments with no discount. Payments are to be made after having been accepted into the college. Note: The payment is a non-refundable payment! If you get into the course and decide you’re not plumber material or you get yourself kicked out for some reason you will not get back any of your money.

You are then sent to a test room to take an aptitude test in which you must score a 80%. Don’t let that scare you, it is an easy test.

You are told to go home and think about it while they consider you and they will inform you via post if you have been accepted into the college. What happened in my case, I received a call a few days later from the salesman… *cough*… interviewer. He told me that hundreds of people come through the centre per day and he had narrowed it down to just a few of us. He said that he had “x” amount of slots open and one too many people to consider. He interviewed me again and told me to explain to him why I deserve the slot over another bloke. I told him. After the phone interview he told me I could be expecting an acceptance letter, which I promptly received a few days later.

The letter of acceptance was simple and requested me to come in to another appointment for the contract signing and to bring my passport, national insurance number and check for the correct amount. I met with him again and was shown the contract and explained the terms and conditions.

According to their contract, you have 12 months to complete Level 1&2, that’s 8 1-week modules. If you fail a module or run over your 12 months you are charges another 350 pounds per module to progress in the course. The procedure for scheduling your courses and exams is explained to you.

This brings us to the things they fail to mention or misrepresent in their sales pitch or wait until after you sign your contract to mention.

You cannot book modules in advance.

You cannot start (or book) your course modules (module 1) until you attend an orientation and take a Health and Safety Exam. At orientation they tell you that pass marks for all exams (BTSC and City and Guilds) are 80% and above. 79% is a fail and you would be given a chance to retake your exam. It took 3 weeks to book into the Healt and Safety exam before starting any of the modules. Contract time begins from its signing, not at Module 1!

Although in the terms and conditions it says that the time over the Easter and Christmas holidays is not included in your 12 month time limit, they do not tell you that it will take up to 6 weeks to book a module! You cannot be credited this time!

When booking your courses, the college is allowed to delay up to 4 weeks (in level 1&2) without crediting your account (except Easter and Christmas holidays which they can delay up to 6 weeks). If you have to wait more than 4 weeks during normal days (and more than 6 weeks over Easter and Christmas), you must write a letter by post requesting to be credited the time. In Level 3 the college is allowed to delay up to 6 weeks before they have to credit you time. (For example: If you call and book your next module, and you are given a date with a delay from the day you call to the module schedule date of 5 weeks. If it is not over a Easter or Christmas holiday, they will credit you back 1 week extending you contract termination date by that time.)

I was told that I could finish the course in 8 months. The salesman (interviewer) said I would book a Module (which is 1 week college training). After that week, I could take a week to study and book my exams. On the third week, I could take my exams. Assuming I pass, I would receive notification by post that week and book my next module for the following week (the 4th week from my previous module). This is impossible because the college is overbooked with students trying to get a date for their next module. Everyone must wait at least 4-6 weeks per module.

They tell you that if you want to go on holiday or need to take the time for some event you have the time. I was told I could do the course in 8 months (one module per month) if I really dedicated myself to complete the course. However, you have to wait 3 weeks for the Health and Safety exam before you even start and you cannot book your modules in advance, so you cannot plan a holiday or anything else for that matter. The delays are such that if you are lucky you will finish the course in 12 months let alone take time out for a holiday.

They boast having Centres, not only in Chessington, but many other locations. This is not true. Many others who have researched have found that Chessington (possibly Manchester also) is the only Centre open and operational. The other locations are just a wish list at present.

The salesman (interviewer) said, and our orientation group was told, that the college offers Part P training in Level 3. Later on in the course we were told that they do not offer Part P training, but are considering it.

Part of proving you performed the assessments they take photos of you. They have the right to use these photos however they see fit. So, if your camera shy or have a very good reason to not have your picture on the front of a brochure someday, you are now made aware before you sign your contract!

Lastly, on the signing of the contract they sell you 6 books (the college sells books). I can see only the necessity for two of the books and even the college tells you (after they sold you the books and start the module classes) of books they don’t sell that are better to study from. After you start your courses you will feel the need to pick up these books in order to study and revise. Some of the other costs like exams and safety equpment are mentioned at contract signing. This creates a feeling that the college has ‘hidden’ or ‘unexpected’ costs.

If I think of anything else I will update this post. Any questions, please feel free to leave a comment.

March 20, 2008 - Posted by El Diablo | Pre-Contract | , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , | 25 Comments

25 Comments »

  1. Thanks for the heads up. I went for an interview and am considering the course at the time of writing this. Many thanks

    Comment by steve | March 31, 2008

  2. Your welcome Steve! Thank you and good luck!

    Comment by El Diablo | March 31, 2008

  3. hi i called these people up in 2006 and asked how much and stuff, i was asked to come allt eh way to chessington for an interview, they told me the price and i just said “riiiiiigggghhhht” anyway i did the test and was never called back, after nearly 2years of working in a design studio as a retoucher/artworker i have decided to go for the plumbing trade, so i thought id contact the btsc group again, reading there website and talking to the guy i realised it wasnt a intensive course of 4 months it was 1 week everymonth , how can anyone keep a job and do this, its mad, all in all the entire course will cost up to 10grand! i want to get into plumbing and one day have my own business, any advice?

    Comment by emre | June 19, 2008

  4. Hi Emre,

    Im not sure if this will help, but this was some information that someone gave me recently. You’ll have to do some research. Check out this website:

    http://www.train4tradeskills.com

    Comment by El Diablo | June 20, 2008

  5. What do you do in between modules??

    do have a full time job??

    Comment by Kit | July 3, 2008

  6. Thanks! I have this advice: the Blair/Brown government has placed numerous restrictions on people doing semi-technical work on their own house, while also adding numerous new requirements. Only certified tradespeople could now do now even the simplest technical jobs. These new limitations resulted in near-rogue “trade certifying organisations” popping up everywhere and “labour” costs sky-rocketing. If one needs an electrician, he or she will show up for a few minutes, then let an (un-certified) employee do the work. There is good money to be made from being certified. You do not even have to work yourself anymore!! Hence: if you see any training company making big promises and no information upfront, especially with regard to costs and timing, skip it.

    Comment by TraderJim | July 16, 2008

  7. I wish that I had read your blog before my husband signed up. He has just done 4 days of module 1 course and feels that he has been unfairly treated(he is not english)and the tutor did not give him as much help as the other students. Now we realise that getting a refund of £9000 is not going to be easy due to clause 15 of the Terms and Conditions. which state that ‘If an acceptable replacement trainee can be introduced …to pay for and take your remaining training and who has reached the same level of training as you …a refund will be paid to you proportional to your remaining training’ Have you heard of anyone who managed to get a refund?

    Comment by Jane | August 14, 2008

  8. If anyone has compleated all their moduals and wish to sell all of the mod booklets please contact me at daleverest@msn.com

    Comment by Darren | August 21, 2008

  9. does anybody know what chapters to revise for module 5 low carbon steel,and 6, which is lead work at manchester btsc. i’ve got the jtl and revision guide. and is the an exam on mod 5 at the start, on environmental awarness?

    Comment by michael | August 23, 2008

  10. today 29.09.2008 i pass the interview .. he told that he’ll ring me back in a few days too fill the papers and should i bring with me the passoprt and nino. what should i do ?

    Comment by Cat | September 29, 2008

  11. I would ask for the interview he recorded to be wiped first before I joined the paranoid training camp that is BTSC.

    Good luck

    Comment by Neil Mortlock | October 14, 2008

  12. Stressedout has hit the nail on the head. The sales process is just about numbers – the whole process was described to me as getting into Cambridge i.e. more applicants than places. The directors of recruitment (sales force) just look at the numbers, no soul in the place definitely and not just for the students. Everybody is watched all phone callls AND INTERVIEWS are RECORDED.

    Not sure how if this contravenes the Data Protection Act. Referring to working at BTSC as being in the Gestapo would be harsh, but an analogy would be fair. NB That is only what it is like to work there, though there is barely a peep out of the trainees.

    Comment by Neil Mortlock | October 14, 2008

  13. How does the writer know that “the payment is non-refundable” and that “you will not get back any of your money”?

    Comment by MadPete | October 29, 2008

  14. all those in favour of legal action against btsc please contact me at

    scottstrt@gmail.com

    LEGAL ACTION AGAINST BTSC

    Comment by scottstrt | December 15, 2008

  15. all those in favour of legal action against btsc please contact me at

    scottstrt@gmail.com

    LEGAL ACTION AGAINST BTSC

    Comment by scottstrt | December 15, 2008

  16. all those in favour of legal action against btsc please contact me at

    scottstrt@gmail.com

    LEGAL ACTION AGAINST BTSC

    Comment by scottstrt | December 15, 2008

  17. all those in favour of legal action against btsc please contact me at

    scottstrt@gmail.com

    LEGAL ACTION AGAINST BTSC

    Comment by scottstrt | December 15, 2008

  18. This course is not what it seems, having been through all the so called formalities and signed up whilst parting with a substantial amount of money I then find that I can’t cope with the intensity of the course and realise that I’ve made a massive mistake. Now I’m trying to get my money back and they are trying to spin me off with comments like you have plenty of time to do the course. Has anyone managed to get a refund?

    Regards

    Martin

    Comment by Martin | January 24, 2009

  19. i would think carefully before i parted with any money do as much research as possible speak to people who have done fast track training before speak to people already in the field and think long and hard plumbing is a wet/dirty/physical trade and aversage earnings £500.00 a week excluding costs

    Comment by saracen | February 14, 2009

  20. I have completed this course both level 2 and 3 and you have to work through it at a constant fast pace , book exams as soon as possible and not fail any exams to be able to stand a chace of making it through in their time scale ,
    The course and trainers are excellent but the company politics really let it down ,
    Another big joke is the careers placement please be aware that they have posters saying o% of candidates that asked for placement havent been found a job , what rubbish i know several people that are still looking for work but there pictures are on the placment board and BTSC wash there hands of them , BTSC are basically contracted to send out 6 cv’s ( WOW ) and considering the whole course is pointless unless you can get some work and experience its a big cash cow.Dont sign up unless you have work experience lined up with a local plumber is my advice. And as for the whole plumber shortage its a complete lie there are millions of plumbers the shortage is qualified gas workers which is not an easy industry to get into without some considerable help from a corgi or gas safe now guy.

    Comment by Super mario | February 27, 2009

  21. my friends son has just started this course. paid over 5 grand i think. now they want £20 for each exam he takes, is this right?

    Comment by phil | March 10, 2009

  22. Wow, just read all of your comments and cant believe ho stupid I have been. I signed up as sponsor yesterday for my husband to the tune f over £9k. They told us that he would be fully qualified by the end of the yr and would guarantee a job.
    The interviewer (sales person) was really wishy washy with answers and I put this down to her incompetence rather than the centre. Now I am so scared and wish I had not signed up. My husband has an induction on Tuesday, I have tried to cancel the finance but to no avail. Any advice??

    Comment by Miriam | April 19, 2009

  23. Hi, I’ve seen their advert in my local newspaper today and rang up about it, I asked for details, with this being a course and all, or an application pack, and I was told I would be told all the details on my ‘interview’ which I’ve been somehow fitted in on in the morning.

    The only reason I know what company it is is due to going on the jobstoday website then going on google to find them, as there was no mention of it over the phone or in the advert, then searching and finding their website.

    After looking through it I noticed there was no mention of price or timescale to complete. After reading these comments and others like them I think I have dodged a bullet as I will no longer be going!!!

    Thanks!!!

    Comment by Mike | May 20, 2009

  24. Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!

    Think i just dodged a bullet like mike, i saw an advert in the ‘jobs’ section of my local paper and im supposed to have an ‘interview’ this coming monday…guess where i WONT be!?
    Im so glad i’ve done my research and come across this site. I feel really sorry for the people these *insert some choice words of your own!* have basically robbed and i hope at least one person manages to get there money back. Again thank you!!!!

    Comment by bob bonbobson | August 20, 2009

  25. Had an “interview” today… its a good con they have in place. Well I suppose if you put the work in you should come out with something but the cost of the course is redic… yes, nice clean environment, largest in Europe! but looking at the facilities, there isn’t really too much in the work shop, about 6 large sections?? The sales pitch leads you to feel like you need to prove your worthy to go on the course… with the occasional “if you are selected” during the interview. Whatever, If i come to you with £3900 – £8000 for training that I want, you not gonna let me do it? I will wait for your call tomorrow and tell you what I think.

    Comment by nigel | October 7, 2009


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